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Finally I did manage to visit the Ryoan-ji Temple in kyoto, it was very beautiful (no wonder J.Cage loved it) but to be honest I didn’t enjoy it at all, why? well, how am I suppose to get zen or at least trying to meditate in the rocks garden (which is already hard enough when you have tinnitus) with lot of humans grazing around you? let 20/30 people in at the time may help having a better experience, just an idea. Anyhow, if you are going to visit it go when is warm !!! The shishi odoshi was almost hidden in the surrounding park, I think it was the inside restaurant garden. Probably not the best recording ever but it was freezing and gosh humans are so noisy.